Dear refHi Dominic
Rule 20.4. E,f, and g.
When team A throws in at a scrum, team B pushes the scrum back and the scrum collapses, or stops with team B having the ball at their feet without any penalty many suggest that a new scrum is formed and team B get to throw in as they "won" The throw in switches team!!
The rules, however, say the team not in position at the stoppage throw in. Does this mean at the original stoppage that warranted the scrum or the stoppage when the scrum stopped? So in my example team B would not get to throw in.
Can you confirm the law please?
Law 20.4 (e) and (f) say:
(e) When a scrum remains stationary and the ball does not emerge immediately a further scrum is ordered at the place of the stoppage. The ball is thrown in by the team not in possession at the time of the stoppage.
(f) When a scrum becomes stationary and does not start moving immediately, the ball must emerge immediately. If it does not a further scrum will be ordered. The ball is thrown in by the team not in possession at the time of the stoppage.
What these two laws are saying is, you can't just get the ball to your side of the scrum and hold it there to kill time. This is a scrum version of "use it or lose it". If you have the ball won and don't use it, then the other team will get a re-set and the put in. The Rugby Ref has never had to use these laws.
20.4 (g) is slightly different and says:
(g) If a scrum collapses or lifts up into the air without sanction a further scrum will be ordered and the team who originally threw in the ball will throw the ball in again.
That means, if its nobody's fault that the scrum went up or down, we just start again, same put in. This might occur if someone slips.
Does that answer your question Dominic?
The Rugby Ref